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in a strange case of worlds colliding in the New York judicial system we now know that a model an aspiring actress who

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claims Sha Diddy Combmes sexually assaulted her in the early 2000s also

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now says that Harvey Weinstein also sexually assaulted her in the early 2000s and right now both of those men

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are dealing with criminal trials based on similar but separate allegations we

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are taking a closer look at two lawsuits from Crystal McKini welcome to Sidebar

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more you may remember Crystal McKini as one of the women who came forward to accuse music mogul and entertainment

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titan Shawn Diddy Combmes of drugging and attacking her we’ve covered details about her lawsuit against him right here

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on Sidebar was filed in May of 2024 accused Combmes of violating the New York City victims of gender motivated

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violence protection act we’ve talked about that law before it created a two-year look back window within New

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York City to file assault or abuse claims that might have otherwise been timebarred by a statute of limitations

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mckenna filed that lawsuit under her own name but we have now learned that she

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has filed a separate civil lawsuit against disgraced former movie producer Harvey Weinstein using a pseudonym so

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that lawsuit was filed at the end of February 2025 just before the look back

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window closed using the initials AP for the plaintiff but then what happens on

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May 30th an amended complaint was filed that officially named McKini as the one

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accusing Weinstein of abuse so she was named as the plaintiff and it seems that

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at the same time that the amended complaint was being posted to the court docket her attorneys also filed an

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update with the judge informing the court that there may now be a resolution in this case a filing that has been

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okayed by the judge on June 2nd reads “Plainif and corporate defendants have reached an agreement in principle

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subject to a written agreement on mutually agreeable terms.” So to talk about the details of both of these

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lawsuits as well as where the criminal trials for both Combmes and Weinstein stand now I want to bring in civil trial

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attorney David Ring who specializes in these kinds of cases david so good to see you thanks so much for taking the

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time you know we’ll get more into specifics in a minute but just right off the bat is it unusual does it surprise

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you that you have one person who has filed two simultaneous lawsuits against

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what two of the most high-profile defendants in New York courts right now yeah Jesse it’s unusual i mean

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especially because uh you know her lawsuits alleged that these incidents happened in the same year in

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2003 so you know I find it unusual i think anytime you see someone suing two

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incredibly highprofile defendants uh and obviously it goes back in time uh you know I think

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you have to take it a little bit with a grain of salt yes okay that’s fair and by the way when they say they’ve reached

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an agreement in principle but now they have to get it all in writing is it more or less likely that a settlement would

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actually happen well I think if they’ve reached an agreement uh it sounds like they have a deal so a settlement would

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happen but uh but let’s remember you know we always hear about hey there’s a settlement and I don’t know i think most

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people think oh boy you know Disney must have paid a tremendous amount of money on that that’s not necessarily true they

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might have paid a a modest amount just to make the case go away we’ll probably never know what the amount is that was

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paid but you know it’s easy to jump to a conclusion oh Disney they filed the case they paid money for it for this whole

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thing to be done and over with but but not necessarily the case let’s talk about it so right now by the way Harvey

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Weinstein he’s on retrial for sex crimes in state court it’s nearing its end that trial attorneys for Weinstein they have

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confirmed that the now 73-year-old would not take the stand in his own defense despite rumors that he wanted to get up

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there and tell his side of the story but a spokesperson told the Hollywood Reporter that it just opened him up to

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way too much risk so he decided against it and as we remember he was convicted

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of criminal sexual assault in the first degree on the testimony of a former Project Runway production assistant and

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rape in the third degree based on the testimony of a one-time aspiring actress

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this was 5 years ago he was acquitted on three other charges and he ended up being sentenced to 23 years in prison

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however that conviction was overturned when an appeals court ruled that prior bad acts testimony shouldn’t have come

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in it resulted in an unfair trial for him now the retrial it’s nearing its conclusion closing arguments are

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expected any time david real quick do you surprised he doesn’t want to take the stand you know I wonder sometimes

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when they have a second chance right they have a second chance a second bite at the apple you know they have an

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opportunity to look back on what didn’t work the first time what did work the the the first time you know I wonder did

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he want to take the stand he’s been in prison this whole time he might have said “Hey I I want to tell my side of

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the story.” Well Harvey Weinstein may have said that he wanted to take the stand and tell his side of the story but

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I am fairly confident that his defense attorneys told him that would be maybe one of the worst ideas ever now Harvey

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Weinstein uh if he took the stand he would subject himself to some some

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brutal cross-examination by the prosecution and the prosecution would be ready for for him to take the stand and

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and so I I think Weinstein and his lawyers know uh there’s no way he can

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take the stand because truly he could get cross-examined on all of these prior bad acts that are in this case and and

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you know one slip of the tongue and he says something it leads to something else and so many bad acts can come in

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against him i I think it would be ruinous to his defense i don’t think his defense is going well anyways you don’t

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think so you think he’s going to be convicted again i think he’ll be convicted again and and look here’s the thing with Harvey Weinstein on the side

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he’s been doing these interviews with these various uh you know unusual let’s

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say uh you know YouTubers and and so he kind of does these interviews oh I want

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to testify i want to testify well you had your chance and you did it so you

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know I I think all of these these side gigs are are you know him just trying to

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play up to the media and to the public it’s interesting um I was in that courtroom for the first trial and I

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remember there was this moment where we thought he might take the stand i even recall I seem to recall correctly he

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might have motioned something to the gallery like when they were like “Hey how are you going to take the stand?” He was like “We’ll see.” You know and then

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when he was convicted before he was officially sentenced he gave this like long colloilquy where he basically like

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explained his charity work and things like that so it made me wonder if he always wanted to take the stand and tell his side but anyway despite his uh

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conviction in New York being tossed out he has also been convicted of rape out in Los Angeles so he was staying behind

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bars either way but now I want to take a look at McKin’s lawsuit okay so her lawsuit against Weinstein now McKini who

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lives in Georgia now she filed the suit not only just against Weinstein but also Miramax Holding Corporation the Walt

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Disney Company as you mentioned Disney Enterprises Inc and do corporations 1 through 10 meaning you know other as of

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yet unidentified alleged co-conspirators that could be named in future complaints

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miramax was founded by Weinstein and his brother Bob in 1979 eventually sold to Disney in 1993 disney apparently held on

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to it until 2010 when it was sold to an investor group now first of all David

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not unusual for plaintiffs to name a corporation like Miramax or Disney

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that’s where the money is right those corporations have the deep pockets exactly i mean uh you know at this point

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in his career it’s very tough to get uh money out of Harvey Weinstein but uh

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Disney and Marramax are obviously uh large corporations or at least Marramax

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was and and so that’s that’s where the money is if it’s anywhere but uh I’m sure we’ll get into it but those are are

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very very difficult claims for the plaintiff to prevail upon in in this case so okay and let’s talk about it

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because according to McKenna quote “Defendant Weinstein coerced plaintiff to engage in sexual contact and or

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sexual intercourse in New York City despite the fact that she was rendered incapable of consenting due to the use

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of physical force and or intoxication.” So McKenna alleges that in the summer of 2003 she was a successful model who was

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trying to expand into the acting business she says she spoke with bookers in New York City about film and TV

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opportunities and the lawsuit reads quote “One afternoon she received a call from a modeling company executive who

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asked her to meet him at his office to discuss a potential business opportunity at the office the executive told Plainif

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that he arranged a meeting between Harvey Weinstein and herself that evening at PM Lounge West Village Lounge

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the executive boasted that meeting Weinstein would allow her to make it big and would accelerate her transition into

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film and television roles the executive then told Plif quote “Don’t bleep him

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until he puts you into a movie before cackling.” Plainif Weinstein’s predatory

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casting practices nor had she heard any rumors about such behavior although plaintiff was bothered by the

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executive’s crash comment she chocked his comment up to misogyny and was thrilled by the possibility of working

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with the biggest producer in Hollywood later Plainif realized that the executive had arranged her meeting with

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Weinstein to facilitate his sexual assault of her david two questions here

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doesn’t this read what we’ve heard of allegations before like just the the classic kind of

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you know casting couch situation and also how would she prove all this this is from 2003

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look her allegations do read like a lot of other complaints against Weinstein no doubt about it where where they go out

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to a public spot a hotel a restaurant they start drinking and talking and and

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next thing you know Weinstein saying you know come up to my hotel suite we’ll talk business some more and then and

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then something uh some sexual misconduct takes place there so so her her lawsuit

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is consistent with a lot of other claims made by other victims for sure uh but we

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don’t know who this executive is this person is not named in in the lawsuit there there’s really no affiliation

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given to the person i I my reading of the lawsuit I I don’t see them being affiliated with Disney or Marramax it

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doesn’t say that and if they were it certainly would have said that so it’s an unknown how’s she going to prove this

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she’s going to have to um you know take take a lot of what we call depositions

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of testimony of people to corroborate what her account is and and this

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executive whoever this person is that’s going to be a really important deposition to see if this person either

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admits to it or or that their story falls apart well she may have a interesting witness on her side why

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because according to McKini she was living with another model in New York City at the time and that roommate is

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identified only as Jane Doe in the filing but McKini says she invited Jane Doe or Jane to go to the lounge with her

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so she can meet Weinstein too and perhaps land her own opportunity so they all meet up but Weinstein allegedly told

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McKenna and Jane that the lounge was too noisy so would they like to go back to his place to discuss potential future

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acting roles the women apparently agreed they went with Weinstein to his room at the swanky Ritz Carlton at Battery Park

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and the lawsuit reads quote “At the hotel room Weinstein pied the women with alcohol ordering them bottles of

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Belvadier and Dom Perion several gimlets for Plainif and vodka cocktails for Jane

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as Plainiff sat on the couch Weinstein grabbed Plainif’s breasts and tore at her tank top and Pliff’s efforts to

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avoid being groped drinks were sloshed onto her shirt plainiff fled to the bathroom and Jane followed suit

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weinstein barged into the bathroom and continued to leiff’s visible breasts through her soaked tank top weinstein

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demanded that the women strip and take a bath with him without waiting for an answer Weinstein exposed himself to the

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women before entering the tub weinstein again commanded the women to join him in the tub pliff and Jane complied with his

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request as they felt backed into a corner and feared that he would retaliate against them if they refused

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his sexual advances and according to McKenna Weinstein insisted that the women perform sex acts on each other

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while he watched she says she consumed more alcoholic beverages described feeling like she was in a days having an

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out-of- body experience and McKenna claims that Weinstein then forced the women into the bedroom where he

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allegedly raped both of them and once he was apparently finished she says he

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abruptly left the hotel room so David do you think a jury could hear that

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testimony from her and arguably Jane Doe and say “That’s enough that’s enough we

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believe this totally happened.” Or do you think a jury even in 2025 could say

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“I don’t know you still put yourself in that situation you could have left there was a a part of you being willing

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participants um we’re not buying it.” What do you think it’s again this is the ultimate he said she said right i mean

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if we just look at the the facts alleged in the lawsuit a jury could go either way on this a jury you know the victim’s

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testimony often times is is plenty to carry the day in a courtroom you know

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the victim gets up there and they’re emotional and credible and the jury’s like “I believe every word they say and

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I believe this was against their will and and they were taken advantage of.” Um and and and they they hear from the

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defendant or or maybe they don’t hear from the defendant he doesn’t testify but they end up siding with the victim

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on the other hand there’s plenty of juries out there that are that scrutinize the victim very closely and

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they look at it and they say “We don’t think there’s enough proof there that this was uh violent or or against your

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will and that we’re going to think this was consensual and they and they find for the defendant.” That’s that’s the

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difficulty in these cases and particularly this is a civil case so the burden of proof is lower than in a

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criminal case but by the way in a civil case given these allegations could the

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plainif demand that the defendant testify i mean we saw something similar in other cases does it is it a little

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different uh this is a civil case and it does have a lower uh burden of proof so

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it gets a it gets very technical as to whether or not the plaintiff the victim can force the defendant to testify the

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defendant doesn’t necessarily give up their fifth amendment privilege to not testify and and usually that that holds

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if they want to say I’m I’m asserting the fifth on this and I’m not going to testify then then they have the right to

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do that because they could potentially you know testify themselves into a criminal charge the problem with that in

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a civil case is that the jury says “Well why didn’t why didn’t Weinstein take the

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stand or or why didn’t the defendant testify?” And they absolutely hold that against the defendant and it becomes a

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one-sided story and they can in a civil case they can use it against him to not

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take the stand they can’t do it in a criminal case they can do it in a civil case yeah look they’re they’re

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technically not supposed to hold it against the defendant for asserting the fifth but they do every time okay that’s

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the reality of the situation okay so here’s what happened next according to the the lawsuit it doesn’t just end

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there so McKini claims after this the phone rings the lawsuit reads “The

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caller identified herself as Weinstein’s assistant and asked Plainif what she was doing in Weinstein’s hotel room planiff

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felt disoriented and angry as she explained how Weinstein had lured the women into his hotel room and assaulted

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them plainif’s heart raced and she felt as if her life was falling apart in front of her the assistant sounded

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unsurprised by Pliff’s complaints and was more annoyed with Plainif for inconveniencing her instead of

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addressing Pliff’s serious complaints of sexual assault and battery the assistant had a combative tone and demanded that

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the women leave the hotel room immediately pliff told the assistant they could not leave the hotel room as

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their clothes have been soaked as they had been deposited on the wet floor when Weinstein forced them into the tub the

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assistant sent up two pink Juicy Couture tracksuits for the women to wear and the women went back to their apartment so

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David that allegation is really interesting because it almost makes it sound like what that this assistant was

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used to facilitate this action to facilitate this type of behavior to get

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them out of there did whatever she had to do to get the women to go away that’s what it kind of sounds like well that’s

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exactly what it sounds like uh now look I’m sure the assistant story is hey you know Weinstein had women up in his suite

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all the time and I how would I have known that they were there against their will or some sexual misconduct happened

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i was my job was just to get them out of there i didn’t know and I think it I think in the lawsuit itself it says that

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the the victims didn’t make any complaint to her at that time so uh again the difficulty with these cases it

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could go either way you could look at this assistant as being complicit and and being part of this scheme to allow

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Weinstein to to engage in sexual misconduct or you could look at it and

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say “How did the assistant know anything improper was going on is this was business as usual for Weinstein.” Yeah

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and let me let me tell you about whenever you have a lawsuit right you always look at what the harm is right what resulted so McKenna claims that she

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has suffered from depression anxiety suicidal ideiation difficulty sleeping

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loss of appetite loss of trust in people of authority and there’s the guilt she says she feels for inviting her roommate

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Jane to come along quote Plainif repeatedly tried to discuss the assault with Jane however each time she shut

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down Plainif telling her it was too painful to discuss planiff blamed herself for putting herself and Jane in

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harm’s way mckenna says she went away to Germany to try to escape the triggers of New York City but still struggled to

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cope she says she even attempted self harm in 2004 quote “Weinstein’s assault

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has altered the trajectory of Plainif’s career denying her a successful and lucrative career in the modeling and

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film industries.” So again she’s suing under the victims of gender motivated violence protection act david as far as

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you know do you know how many of these have been resolved uh lawsuits under this specific provision uh many have i

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mean it’s a it’s a legitimate provision and it’s New York’s one of the states that has enacted laws like this uh that

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allow uh adult victims to go back in time and and bring lawsuits uh

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California I’m in California california has a very similar statute that allows

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adult victims to go back you know beyond what the typical statute of limitations

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would be for a civil lawsuit and and bring these claims and again they have this window where they say you know you

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have a year or two to actually bring the claims and then the the window closes again so so it’s a it’s a legitimate

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statute and there’s been plenty of cases brought under it and I’m sure plenty of cases have been resolved through through

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this uh this statute and the complaint also provides details for how the named corporations allegedly violated this law

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quote “Prior to Weinstein sexually assaulting plaintiff defendants Disney Miramax and Doe 1-10 knew or should have

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known that Weinstein was not fit to be in a position of authority defendants and through their agents servants andor

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employees became aware or should have become aware of Weinstein’s propensity to commit sexual assault and of the risk

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to plaintiff safety at the very least defendants knew or should have known that they did not have sufficient

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information about whether or not it was safe to employ Weinstein in a position of power.” David a little confused about

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this one wouldn’t it have to be that he committed these assaults during the

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scope of his employment or that he used the resources of the business in order

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to do this right i mean like if he was on vacation and he you know sexually

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assaulted somebody you can’t go after the company right necessarily don’t there have to be some sort of connection

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or nexus here between the alleged uh attacks and the company

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you’re exactly right Jesse and and you do have to have a direct connection between what the perpetrator is doing

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you know the crime that’s allegedly being committed and the company’s facilitation of that crime and it has it

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can’t just be some vague notion of hey they knew he was a bad guy and this was

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bound to happen it’s got to be pretty concrete link and so you know my reading

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of this lawsuit I I would characterize the allegations against Disney and Marramax as as being pretty bare bones

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here there is not much in these this lawsuit that that sets forth really any

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facts that Disney or Marramax somehow knew that that this meeting in in New

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York was taking place or that they somehow were involved in it or or you know the hotel room or anything like

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that and so that’s why you know in my opinion I think it’s a it’s a real tough case for this particular victim to bring

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against Disney and Marramax doesn’t mean it’s not worth the attempt to to to bring him in the case you never know

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what you’re going to find out when you engage in in civil discovery and you get documents and things like that but but

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just from from reading the lawsuit very very tough case against these corporate entities that’s interesting and look

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she’s seeking compensatory punitive damages plus damages for breach of contract by the defendant’s attorney’s

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fees and Weinstein’s legal team they have dismissed the claim saying in a statement to Fox News Harvey Weinstein

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categorically denies the outlandish and fantastical claims made against him by Crystal McKenna in her complaint made

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late in time and suspiciously on the heels of her complaint against Shaun Diddy Combmes mr weinstein is ready to

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refute and defend against the salacious claims that are believed to have been made with an opportunistic motive

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however based on the latest filing it appears there’s some sort of resolution in the works so we’re going to have to

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see what happens david they make that statement but then there’s going to be a settlement uh how does that how does

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that you know how does that work together well look the the original lawsuit was

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filed months ago and so it’s very possible that that the victim’s lawyers

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had a conversation with the lawyers for Disney and Marramax and reach some sort of resolution and uh now they’re going

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to try to finalize it and put that to bed uh that happens a lot um the problem

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is we the general public are probably never going to know what that settlement

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was or or how it came about because all we’re really going to see in the court filings is that very vanilla document

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saying “Gee the case is settled.” But here’s the thing right so that statement infers that this lawsuit is suspiciously

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similar to the lawsuit that McKenna filed against Shawn Combmes Bad Boy Entertainment Shawn John Clothing

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Universal Music Group last year umg UMG actually was dropped from the complaint so let’s talk about it if you’ve been

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following Cybar at all these last few weeks you know that we have been all in on Comb’s federal criminal trial it’s

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going on right now in the Manhattan federal courthouse and while recording equipment not allowed inside the courtroom we have a correspondent there

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every day brings us the very latest elizabeth Milner if you’ve been following us you know who she is by the way Combmes is facing charges of

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racketeering conspiracy sex trafficking transportation to engage in prostitution prosecutors alleged that Combmes used

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his staff and resources to do all these kinds of things for him to facilitate his sexual fantasies i mean doing things

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like setting up hotel rooms for freakoffs procuring sex workers and drugs allegedly forcing women like his

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ex Cassandra Ventura Fine to participate in these sexual performances he’s entered a not-uilty plea has always

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adamantly maintained his innocence we’re in week four of this trial right now uh

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you know week three of testimony the prosecution still working its way down a long list of witnesses um real quick

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before we get into the McKini lawsuit how do you think the trial is going so far uh David from what you’ve been following

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it is not going well for Shawn Combmes i mean every day it seems like there’s another compelling witness who uh

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supports the prosecution’s theories and claims in this case and uh you know he

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he looks like a monster his conduct is is terrible but but more importantly is

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the prosecution is proving the the case of of Rico of a racketeering charge

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against Shawn Combmes and his organization and it does not look good for for Shawn Combmes at all i was asked

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at the beginning of this trial like what do I think and I was like look I think transportation to engage in prostitution transporting people you know alleged

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victims and sex workers with the intent they engage in sex work prostitution that would be relatively easy to prove I

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wasn’t I wasn’t entirely sure about sex trafficking racketeering having said it now weeks in I see where the the case

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they’re building I don’t know if the juries believe in it but I definitely see it I see the building blocks I know exactly how they’re setting it up you

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know trying to prove all these underlying crimes for racket hearing a pattern of criminal activity forced

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labor kidnapping sex trafficking drug offenses uh you know I see it i get it

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um and sex trafficking of course I think there’s two key components at least two instances with Cassandra Ventura the

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2016 uh alleged attack and this plane incident where she was shown or allegedly shown tapes of the freakoffs i

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think those can fit the elements of sex trafficking but I’ve talked about them before i want to focus now on McKini McKini so what does McKenna allege that

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Combmes did to her okay so she begins her complaint by giving some background saying that she won MTV’s inaugural

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model mission this competition when she was 17 in 1998 got her a modeling

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contract she worked commercially for several years before being invited by an unnamed designer to attend a men’s

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fashion week event in like you said David 2003 so the same time we’re talking about with Weinstein now the

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lawsuit reads “The designer told Plainif that he would be introducing her to Combmes which could advance her modeling

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career.” McKenna says that she went to dinner with the designer Combmes and other guests for others to hear Combmes

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bestowed compliments on Plainif by stating for example that she was beautiful and that her eyes were gorgeous later in a more intimate volume

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Combmes told Plainif that she was going to make it big one day as a model combmes went on to tell Plainif that he

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had power in the industry and was going to help her advance her career combmes provided plainif with his phone number

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as a gesture of good faith in his promises to help her now later that night Combmes allegedly contacted McKini

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and requested she come to see his studio where he was hanging out with some friends her lawsuit states after pliff

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sat down one of Com’s associates asked her “Do you smoke weed?” To which she responded affirmatively comb’s associate

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replied “You’ve never had weed like this before.” Plainif later came to understand that Combmes had laced the

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joint with a narcotic or other intoxicating substance combmes passed her the joint plainif took a hit which

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felt very powerful although plaintiff insisted that she had enough after that Combmes pressured her to embibe more

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alcohol and marijuana by telling her that she was acting too uptight so McKenna claims that Combmes pushed her

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into a bathroom and forced her to perform oral sex on him and after this

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violent alleged assault she claims she lost consciousness that she woke up later in a taxi apparently on the way

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back to the designer’s home and you may remember by the way McKini is the woman who says that she actually saved her

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unwashed clothing from the night of the alleged assault in some sort of plastic bag or plastic wrap and in this lawsuit

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she also alleges violation of the New York City Victims of Gender Motivated Violence Protection Act seeks the same

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type of damages and interestingly she claims that the consequences that she suffered because of the alleged assault

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are the exact same ones that she suffered because of the alleged

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Weinstein assault so David that part’s interesting right if we’re talking about

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what was the harm that you suffered particularly for the purposes of damages and she’s claiming two separate

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assaults does that complicate both cases

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Jesse it complicates it to the point where it becomes a really big problem for for the victim’s lawyer to figure

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out where to go with each of these cases and and that’s the thing remember we’re talking about civil lawsuits here two

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civil lawsuits so in either one of those cases the other case is admissible so in

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the in the Shawn Combmes case Shawn Combmes’s lawyers get to bring up the fact that she sued Harvey Weinstein and

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that she’s claiming all these damages from Weinstein in the Harvey Weinstein case his lawyers get to bring up the

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fact she’s suing Shawn Combmes and is claiming all these damages from the Shawn Combmes case and it’s all in the

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same year 2003 it’s a huge problem from the perspective of being the victim’s

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lawyers when you have that situation not saying it doesn’t happen i’m not saying you can’t get through it i’m saying it

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poses a massive hurdle to getting to where you want to go and winning one of

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those cases if one of those cases is dismissed by the judge like an emotion to dismiss can the surviving lawsuit if

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it goes to trial can they bring it up like for example if it’s at the Diddy case uh civil Diddy trial can they say

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“Hey your claims against Harvey Weinstein that you made very similar those were dismissed.” or or if it goes

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to trial beforehand hey a jury found you uh found uh Harvey Weinstein not liable

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can that be brought up in that trial in the Diddy trial well they that’s going to be up to the judge but what they

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definitely can bring up in either case uh they can bring up the fact that that

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she sued one of the other high-profile defendants here claiming the exact same

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type of emotional harm and damage so so even if one of the cases was dismissed in the other case they still

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can bring up the fact that hey you sued Weinstein for all these damages and

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maybe the case was dismissed or wasn’t dismissed or you settled it but you still made this public filing that you

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were harmed by him and again it’s very difficult to overcome that hurdle and look it could very well be true that

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this happened to her that she was abused by two very high-profile people that

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would have that would have had access to her so it’s very possible I mean we’ve heard it before you know young actresses

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models they have been abused by high-profile people having said that

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they’re both you know they they are both innocent until proven guilty i mean this is not a criminal case with respect to

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McKini but they’re both they haven’t been found liable and so they’ll have an opportunity to present their defense defenses and question the credibility of

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this account question the timing by which she filed these suits the timing with which she says both of these

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incidents happened in the same year so just really interesting that we have uh one person who is suing both of them for

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very similar claims um David Ring thank you so much for taking the time good seeing you all right thank you and

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that’s all we have for you right now here on Sidebar everybody thank you so much for joining us and as always please subscribe on YouTube Apple Podcast

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